People mean real money when they say 'pay-to-win', so ISK is irrelevant. Most players seem fairly content that the current model is more pay-to-grind-less, since all AUR items have ISK equivalents. I would posit that once FW becomes a major ISK sink, the game will become incrementally more pay-to-win since AUR gear will become the only viable way to continually run PRO gear for more players.

Actually, if you put some effort into it, you will be surprised how far you can go. Extremely far to be exact. I know this first hand.

If you max out your core skills (dropsuit electronics, engineering, weapon operations, sharpshooter, reload, etc.) that have a broad effect across all of the racial suits, you will notice three things:

1. Fitting your starter suit will become much easier.
2. Weapon damage and accuracy dramatically increases.
3. Module effectiveness increases.

Of course, skill books alone won't help. You need ACTUAL EXPERIENCE-BASED SKILL to make these militia suits extremely effective. If you know what you're doing, then you can be an effective killing machine against a proto player.

As a result, there are still a number of players out there running around in militia gear tearing up everyone wearing proto gear. I know because I saw these players first hand. And when there is one such player there will be many more coming.

da faq? I can say i haven't spent a cent on this game. I have proto fits and use them at my leisure. I also have 80+ million at any given time.

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With militia modules, fitting is actually everything since militia-level stuff is generally inefficient when it comes to CPU and PG. So every little bit helps. Even with the expense of the non-starter militia stuff, the expense of those items is miniscule in comparison if you're a good player and know how to pick your battles.

A Caldari Assault can go for 3,000 ISK.
520 ISK for damage modules.
400 for shield extenders.
550 for shield rechargers.
520 for armor reps.
290 for cardiac regs.
610 for assault rifles
etc.
etc.

Let's assume you earn 150,000 ISK for match and each militia-only suit costs you 10,000 tops. You will have to die 15 times to go negative on the wallet. Most of the time, you don't even die that much if you pick your battles and go for the light-frame suits (plenty of them everywhere). I die about 8-10 times per match and my suits only cost about 8,000 ISK tops. In public matches, I can stay positive for a long time.

no, I've never spent a cent, everything in the market costs more than that!


... see I can make awful troll posts too!

irrefutably? I dont think so.

Richie Richard that spends 20,000 USD on this game would not have a clear cut advantage over Poorman Pennyworth at 20 USD.

Richie can throw more money through his teleporter screen but his stats are not going to any higher, he will have to learn how to shoot, move, and kill people in dust 514 to make a difference, the same difference Poorman Pennyworth is able to do.

What isk? The only source of direct isk is NPC clone sales and battle payouts. Both requiring a degree of game play of some manner to access.

Pennyworth opens the Pennyworth charity, its to see to Pennyworth's well being, education, gear and employment assistance. Pennyworth has numerous donors such as the guristas, sansha, true power, osomon surveillance, the minmatar republic and more. Pennyworth must spend the isk to validate the charity's existence.

No this charity establishes pennyworth as the supply officer and he has to manage where the funds get spent.

You need to get your head checked. Pay to win these days, even by simians with half a brain, understand that pay to win only involves real world cash only. In game currency doesn't count because it has no real world value.

As for your final statement, you will never find such a person. Ever. Even your skill books require ISK to purchase. Even then it's not pay to win because there is nothing in this game that real world currency can give you an advantage for that ISK variants don't already provide.

Obviously you do not comprehend the concept in which you are speaking. You are diluting the word "pay-to-win" - which inturn means that you pay REAL MONEY to get the upper leg on the game with items the regular Pennyworth cannot get with ISK. ISK is in-game money in which EVERY SINGLE PERSON can obtain and use for their own in-game.

Now, on the second subject you brought up. Are you saying that training a skill is cheating?...if so i am a big fat cheater. Everyone trains a skill, even the newberries. Why would anyone not?...I'm sorry but this logic you are speaking of gets on my nerves and makes absolute no sense. Please stop this pursuit of antagonizing people, they feed on your tears.

You are no doubt, the most ignorant and hard headed troll ever, do you even hear yourself?..So what you are saying is, to be truly honorable. You must have no skill, not buy a single weapon or dropsuit or module and only use militia gear - even though that is part of the friggin game? Sounds like a bunch of hogwash, that only a simple minded purist would say. ISK is real money IN-GAME. Aurum you pay with REAL LIFE MONEY, you can by no means obtain Aurum strickly in-game without the use of a psn card or credit card so no, you insignificant clone, not everybody can obtain Aurum, some of us are broke IRL. You are disregarded the facts i am PLAINLY stating and spitting on the ground like a fool and reversing logic. I am by no means an angry person, but people who disregard the facts like this just...bring out my insanity like no other.

I bet CCP is watching this thread and laughing at the stupidity.

Don't use ISK if you are that strong about it. See if we care, go use militia gear and get your a$$ pubstomped, OH! be sure to send me a video so i can laugh my friggin butt off at your stupidity.

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